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I have been re-reading Martin. This happens quite frequently. Two things have struck me lately, and I have been pondering. Now this is all loose speculation – but please hear me out:

The first:

The kings of winter in the Winterfell crypt. They sit with their swords drawn over their knees, and a wolf at their feet. When Robb greets Tyrion in Game of Thrones, the feeling is tense – and he has a sword drawn over his knees. It’s Bran’s POV – and he thinks that a greeting like this is a bad sign. So what are the Kings of winter greeting – sitting like they are?

The second:

Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all nights to come


This is the wording of the Nightwatch oath. I love it, it’s beautiful – but it’s also a little strange. Especially this part: I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, […]
It goes from talking about what the initiate shall do, to what he is once he is part of the watch. He is the sword in the darkness. I’ve always liked that, the way the wording of the oath underlines that the person swearing is no longer an individual, but part of the brotherhood. In fact he is a tool of the brotherhood.

But as I was reading it, and I started thinking – the light that brings the dawn – the light bringer? As in Lightbringer that is associated with Azor Ahai? Because Martin wouldn’t hide a detail like that right? Well, yes he would – but that still doesn’t exempt me from grabbing at straws here.

Now the prophesy about Ahai and Lightbringer is given as this in Clash of Kings (in my paperback that is p. 111):

In ancient books of Asshai it is written that there will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.


And this mentions a sword –and not some ragged band of Nightwatch men. Except that the oath also states: I am the sword in the darkness.[…] . I am the fire that burns against the cold

So, could the prophesy be talking not about a literal sword, but a metaphorical sword, a weapon in the form of the Nightwatch – and who ever controls the Nightwatch wields this weapon?

See – this must be what going mad feels like. Re-reading Martin for the unnumbered time. *sigh* If he could just please finish the next book my head would be a quieter place. At least for a time…

Date: 2006-11-18 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baleanoptera.livejournal.com
There is that - and Brienne is from an island so she could fit the whole born among salt and smoke thing.

Also the sword she got from Jaime has these weird, almost flamelike patterns, and in Jaime's dream the darkness does flee before her - like it says in the prophesy. Hmm..this is very interesting. But wha! I'm without my books here so I cannot check properly. Martin's books should come in a handy travel size.

Date: 2006-11-29 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reginaspina.livejournal.com
Heh! I have the giant hardcovers and the mass-market paperbacks for portability. But I think you are right about the sword that Jaime gives to Brienne (how wonderful if SHE is Azor Ahai – except that … didn’t he have to kill the thing he loved the best? Ack!)

Date: 2006-12-02 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baleanoptera.livejournal.com
didn’t he have to kill the thing he loved the best? Ack!

Wha! Yes he did! I don't think I could handle that - exemplified by the fact that I don't really want to think about it. Brienne killing Jaime would just be too horrible.

But it would be very cool if she was Azor Ahai. Except for the possible killing Jaime part - which is not on!But then again I have caught my self pondering theories about how Jaime could survive the series - even if I doubt that will happen.
It's odd - but Martin's books are by me anticipated both with excitement and pure dread.

Date: 2006-12-02 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reginaspina.livejournal.com
I think it would destroy Brienne to kill Jaime now (or to even have any kind of role in his death) and I hope that Martin won’t do that to her. She’s one character who is purely GOOD and I hope her journey doesn’t involve her having to kill someone she loves.

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